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welsh wizard
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Posted - 2006.09.14 17:10:00 -
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Edited by: welsh wizard on 14/09/2006 17:10:53
You get about 40m/s out of a raven with 6 Jav loaded.
edit: A big hit, constant reloading/unloading required to move about.
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welsh wizard
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Posted - 2006.09.16 09:12:00 -
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Edited by: welsh wizard on 16/09/2006 09:14:30
You see the problem with pulling all these stats out your arse like 'Raven can hit at 230kM!!!' is that they have no bearing what so ever on everyday Eve pvp.
Game balance can't be found by analyzing every weapon and ship through its theoretical abilities. Game balance can only be found by pvp'ing with said ships day in day out.
Javelins are rarely used at anything above 100km because fights above those ranges with missile ships are a complete waste of time against a competent foe. Ravens are a close range beast and when they are close they're nasty to fight (but not as nasty as a domi or a mega). I don't care whether you can set your raven up with 4 hardeners and make it megathron proof, thats just not everyday pvp.
Stop analyzing, start playing. Only then will you get an idea of what a ravens actual capabilities are.
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welsh wizard
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Posted - 2006.09.16 10:41:00 -
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 Originally by: Shin Ra
I swear people won't be happy until torps can only hit bs.
Aye 
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welsh wizard
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Posted - 2006.09.16 10:57:00 -
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Edited by: welsh wizard on 16/09/2006 11:01:41
edit: waste of time
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welsh wizard
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Posted - 2006.09.16 11:05:00 -
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How do you propose Caldari fight battleships at range if torpedos can't fly further than 100km?
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welsh wizard
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Posted - 2006.09.16 11:32:00 -
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Edited by: welsh wizard on 16/09/2006 11:31:53
Originally by: GO MaZ
Originally by: welsh wizard
How do you propose Caldari fight battleships at range if torpedos can't fly further than 100km?
Er, cruise missiles 
They don't do enough damage.
Also Ravens don't 'fight at range', the best they can hope for is to 'deter at range'.
You have to fly it dude you really do, until then, give over.
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welsh wizard
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Posted - 2006.09.16 11:49:00 -
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Well snod this is another endlessly argued point.
I'd say that you only ever become truly good in a Raven once you have a hell of a lot of skillpoints in Engineering, Missiles, Caldari BS V and atleast tech II medium/light drone capability (vital to a torp pilot becuase fitting heavy nos isn't really possible).
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welsh wizard
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Posted - 2006.09.16 14:36:00 -
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Edited by: welsh wizard on 16/09/2006 14:36:53
Originally by: GO MaZ
Originally by: welsh wizard
....Caldari weapon systems dont even have the requirement of training the smaller spec skill to lvl4 ....
People always bring up this factor to slag off Raven pilots. Thing is theres more missile support skills than there are gunnery support skills and it also takes about a week max to train small and medium guns to IV, not exactly ages.
Makes little difference in the grand scheme of things tbh.
I agree with the rest of your post.
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welsh wizard
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Posted - 2006.09.17 09:56:00 -
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Edited by: welsh wizard on 17/09/2006 10:02:48
Originally by: Nybbas
Originally by: dec0
Edited by: dec0 on 16/09/2006 22:53:21
No, he also talked about it beating close range megas too, and who cares if overall a raven will hit a bit harder at 150km, it will never kill anything cos it can warp off, and dont say "get an inty to..." cos you could do the same with a mega. Raven is awful in fleet battles, thats why we are getting the Rohk, and yes I obviously did miss the bit where he flies a javelin raven, I got sick and tired off him posting crap and stopped reading on the 3rd page or something  Oh and you will need at least 2 sensor boosters to hit at the range which screws a tank. And again, why is a tank so important at 100km+ when you can just warp off.
i beat close range megas all the time with my new raven and very low skills, and well my mega has to warp (or die) a stupid amount of the time against torp ravens, you obviously do not fly a blasterthron against ravens, its ok i forgive your ignorance. And if by low skills you mean maxed out megathron flying skills, sure. WTS clue.
p.s. my point has been that FLEET BATTLES rarely happen, not just long range ones, so get over yourself.
If you can't beat a normally setup torp Raven if you both start at close range in your blasterthron you're doing something wrong.
Tech II neutrons (and a decent pilot) will down a standard raven setup in less than 30 seconds.
Starting at 10km the only way a Raven pilot is gonna get out alive is with ECM and luck or 3-4 kinetic and thermal hardeners.
Perhaps this has just been my experience against the blasterthron pilots I've faced.
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welsh wizard
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Posted - 2006.09.18 11:06:00 -
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If everyone stops and takes a deep breath.
When was the last time any of you honestly saw a torp being launched from 150km+ with any useful outcome? Once or twice in recent memory maybe? If you're getting boned by ravens firing from those distances then you really need to rethink the way you play.
Simple as that.
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welsh wizard
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Posted - 2006.09.20 11:08:00 -
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Well I maintain that if you nerf the Javelin torpedoes range then you nerf the Ravens ability to fight anything bigger than a cruiser at range. As far as I can tell, half the point of adding Javelins was to provide a Raven with torps some capacity to fight battleships at distance.
A corp mate raised another fine point, if the explosion velocity and radius on a javelin was decreased the Raven would be a sitting duck for assault cruisers. Most hacs can happily tank precision cruise since the nerf and thats precisely what the damn things are for. Now we're using javelins instead, they don't do the job quite aswell but they let a raven defend itself against a tough fast moving cruiser.
If the range was reduced on the Javelin then it would be just about bearable. If they explosion velocity/radius was altered then the Raven would be nerfed back into obscurity.
We've seen what mass moaning about Caldari has done to the race in the past, fortunately CCP realised the error of their ways and boosted missiles again. It's as balanced as its ever been but apparently some people wont be happy until the Raven is only capable of taking on smaller ships than itself (a Caldari trait it seems).
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